{"id":4235,"date":"2018-11-10T09:53:11","date_gmt":"2018-11-10T09:53:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.styledeals.co.uk\/blog\/youtube-u-turn-over-red-dead-redemption-2-suffragette-clips\/"},"modified":"2018-11-10T09:53:11","modified_gmt":"2018-11-10T09:53:11","slug":"youtube-u-turn-over-red-dead-redemption-2-suffragette-clips","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.styledeals.co.uk\/blog\/youtube-u-turn-over-red-dead-redemption-2-suffragette-clips\/","title":{"rendered":"YouTube U-turn over Red Dead Redemption 2 suffragette clips"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div property=\"articleBody\">\n<figure class=\"media-landscape has-caption full-width lead\"><span class=\"image-and-copyright-container\"><\/p>\n<p>                <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"js-image-replace\" alt=\"Suffragette in Red Dead Redemption 2\" src=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/320\/cpsprodpb\/BAEC\/production\/_104225874_whatsubject.jpg\" width=\"976\" height=\"549\"\/><span class=\"off-screen\">Image copyright<\/span><br \/>\n                 <span class=\"story-image-copyright\">Rockstar<\/span><\/p>\n<p>            <\/span><figcaption class=\"media-caption\"><span class=\"off-screen\">Image caption<\/span><br \/>\n                <span class=\"media-caption__text\"><br \/>\n                    The suffragette is one of many computer-controlled characters who can be attacked in the game<br \/>\n                <\/span><br \/>\n            <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"story-body__introduction\">YouTube has restored several videos showing a women&#8217;s rights campaigner being killed in a variety of ways in the video game Red Dead Redemption 2.<\/p>\n<p>The platform had deleted the recordings on Wednesday and in one case had banned the clip creator involved.<\/p>\n<p>The action had represented its first such response to depictions of graphic violence within a mainstream game.<\/p>\n<p>But it now says that it made a &#8220;mistake&#8221; and has restricted the clips so they cannot be seen by under-18s.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"story-body__crosshead\">Misinterpretation<\/h2>\n<p>The U-turn occurred after a backlash on social media.<\/p>\n<p>This included the vlogger PewDiePie retweeting a complaint by one of the video creators, who had accused YouTube of unfair treatment.<\/p>\n<p>Another popular vlogger, Keem, had also drawn attention to the affair claiming it was &#8220;going to create GamerGate 2.0&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Ryan Wyatt, YouTube&#8217;s head of gaming, eventually responded &#8211; blaming the deletions on a misinterpretation of YouTube&#8217;s community guidelines.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The reviewer will be educated on this outcome and on how to avoid repeating this mistake,&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Fwiz\/status\/1060348690873774081\" class=\"story-body__link-external\">he tweeted.<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>However, the BBC understands the original decision had involved several members of YouTube&#8217;s staff and that the original ruling was overturned once the business&#8217;s wider gaming team took charge. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;YouTube&#8217;s community guidelines prohibit among other things, gratuitous violence, nudity, dangerous and illegal  activities, and hate speech,&#8221; a spokeswoman said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Creative formats such as video games can be challenging to assess but when content crosses the line and is flagged to our attention, we take action as necessary.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"story-body__crosshead\">&#8216;Vague rules&#8217;<\/h2>\n<p>The Western-themed Red Dead Redemption 2 is set at the end of the 19th Century, about two decades before women were given the vote in all US states.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"media-landscape has-caption full-width\"><span class=\"image-and-copyright-container\"><\/p>\n<p>                 <span class=\"off-screen\">Image copyright<\/span><br \/>\n                 <span class=\"story-image-copyright\">Rockstar<\/span><\/p>\n<p>            <\/span><figcaption class=\"media-caption\"><span class=\"off-screen\">Image caption<\/span><br \/>\n                <span class=\"media-caption__text\"><br \/>\n                    One of the temporarily banned clips involved the woman being tied up and then fed to animals<br \/>\n                <\/span><br \/>\n            <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Within the game the player meets several suffragettes.<\/p>\n<p>In one case it is possible to assault and kill one of the campaigners.<\/p>\n<p>Several YouTube creators took advantage of this to post recordings of the game&#8217;s protagonist killing the computer-controlled character in a series of gruesome ways.<\/p>\n<p>These included the woman being:<\/p>\n<ul class=\"story-body__unordered-list\">\n<li class=\"story-body__list-item\">fed to an alligator<\/li>\n<li class=\"story-body__list-item\">dropped down a mineshaft<\/li>\n<li class=\"story-body__list-item\">shot in the face and fed to pigs<\/li>\n<li class=\"story-body__list-item\">tied up on a railway track and run over by a train<\/li>\n<li class=\"story-body__list-item\">set on fire<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In linked comments, several users made jokes about the fact it was possible to assault a &#8220;feminist&#8221; in this way.<\/p>\n<p>On Wednesday morning, the BBC asked the firm whether 10 such clips breached its policies.<\/p>\n<p>YouTube subsequently removed eight of them, leaving two examples in which the suffragette was beaten but not killed.<\/p>\n<p>Among those blocked was a clip that had attracted more than 1.5 million clicks within a channel that had attracted more than 473,000 subscribers.<\/p>\n<p>The channel&#8217;s UK-based owner was initially told he was also being banned from owning or setting up other accounts.<\/p>\n<p>All of the creator&#8217;s videos have since been restored, including clips of other characters being attacked within Red Dead Redemption 2.<\/p>\n<p>One company-watcher said the incident pointed to a wider problem.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;YouTube&#8217;s guidelines have been accused of being vague and open to interpretation, meaning even when YouTube does act upon them, its decision is often challenged as censorship,&#8221; commented Teoh Lander-Boyce, co-editor of TenEighty magazine.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It can seem to many creators that the guidelines are not enforced even-handedly, often taking either a massive outrage online or interest from mainstream media to get it to take notice.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;This disparity between when it does and doesn&#8217;t act, and how it enforces the rules just points to a lack of clarity and understanding on what the community guidelines really mean.&#8221;<\/p>\n<figure class=\"media-landscape has-caption full-width\"><span class=\"image-and-copyright-container\"><\/p>\n<p>                 <span class=\"off-screen\">Image copyright<\/span><br \/>\n                 <span class=\"story-image-copyright\">YouTube<\/span><\/p>\n<p>            <\/span><figcaption class=\"media-caption\"><span class=\"off-screen\">Image caption<\/span><br \/>\n                <span class=\"media-caption__text\"><br \/>\n                    YouTube had initially limited itself to allowing clips in which the woman was attacked but not killed<br \/>\n                <\/span><br \/>\n            <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Another YouTube creator also suggested the matter had been mishandled.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s interesting that in a huge beautiful game with an amazing array of things to do, that&#8217;s actually pretty progressive in its storytelling&#8230; someone decided to take a character representative of progress for women and kill her in not just one but multiple ways for several videos,&#8221; Outside Xtra presenter Ellen Rose said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s also interesting, but not at all surprising, that these are some of that channel&#8217;s most popular videos for months, and people in the comments are being weirdly gleeful about the idea of a women&#8217;s rights campaigner  &#8211; or &#8216;annoying feminist&#8217; &#8211; being assaulted this way. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I think that YouTube needs to stop and look at those responses when making decisions as to whether or not a clip is good for the site.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Red Dead Redemption 2 has attracted very positive reviews, and attained a score of 97 out of 100 on Metacritic, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.metacritic.com\/game\/playstation-4\/red-dead-redemption-2\" class=\"story-body__link-external\">which collates critics&#8217; reviews.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Many of the 18-certificate game&#8217;s non-playable characters can be attacked, but there has been criticism of a decision to allow the suffragette to be <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/games\/2018\/nov\/07\/red-dead-redemption-2-game-criticised-over-killing-of-suffragette\" class=\"story-body__link-external\">vulnerable, given the controversy this could attract.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Suffragettes also appear in another part of the game, but attacking them there leads to the failure of the mission.<\/p>\n<p>The BBC has asked developer Rockstar Games for comment.  <\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"http:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/technology-46137186\">Source<\/a> by <a href=\"\">[author_name]<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Image copyright Rockstar Image caption The suffragette is one of many computer-controlled characters who can be attacked in the game YouTube has restored several videos showing a women&#8217;s rights campaigner being killed in a variety of ways in the video game Red Dead Redemption 2. 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